Leshnoff Double Concerto

Genesis of the Double Concerto for Clarinet and Bassoon by Jonathan Leshnoff. Interview with Jonathan Leshnoff by Terry B. Ewell. In particular, Dr. Leshnoff discusses his approach to writing for bassoon in this composition. BDP #322, 2reed.net.

[music: Chamber Version, second mov., John Weigand, Terry Ewell, and Eva Mengelkoch]

Terry B. Ewell: So, Jonathan I remember that three years ago or something you knocked on my door in the office and said, “Terry, Terry I am going to write this double concerto for clarinet and bassoon. And you were a little bit fearful of writing for bassoon.

Jonathan Leshnoff: Indeed, very much so. The bassoon really doesn’t get that much light of day in the orchestra. It is always doubling with the cellos. There are some good passages, but it never has a whole movement to itself, or two movements. So, I wanted to write something that is effective and uses the instrument effectively and in its best way. But I needed some advice and so I came to you and said, “Terry.” It is not the first time I have come to you for some help. I knocked on your door and I said, “How do I do this?”

TBE: I remember at that time I was going through some of my old files, pulling out some things from when I was at West Virginia University. I said, “Oh, I have just the sheet for you.” They had me lecture in an orchestration class. So, we just went through that lecture: these are the bassoon ranges, this is some of the literature, and I know that you looked at some of that.

JL: I certainly did. After you showed me things on the bassoon and maybe you illustrated… Here is that sheet that Terry gave me. It is right to the point. You obviously went through the ranges. You broke down the ranges very specifically and told me what the bassoon could do very exactly. Even more so, you have the repertoire examples. I went that looked at these repertoire examples. The lyrical use of the instrument… you have the Stravinsky Firebird Suite. I went and I studied that, and I said, “Wow, that is quite an amazing range of the instrument. It works so well if I have this orchestral or that orchestral color.” So, the beginning of the Concerto, which starts with the bassoon and strings in the orchestral version, comes right from your suggestion.

TBE: Wonderful.

JL: From Stravinsky, a big inspiration.

[music: Opening of the Double Concerto, Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, Reference Recordings FR-738.]

JL: Here it says right here—comic use of the instrument.

TBE: That is the second movement.

JL: So, right there, it is your fault.

TBE: I love that movement.

JL: The thing is that I always knew that the bassoon could have a comical element. But it was kind of like [embarrassing, snickering gesture]..But when a bassoonist comes and says that the bassoon can be comical, then that is it. I am going to have fun!

[music: Chamber Version, second mov., John Weigand, Terry Ewell, and Eva Mengelkoch]

JL: What I like so much is the adjectives about the sound quality. The adjectives about the range. The lower range is rich, full, tubby. The lyric, sonorous tenor. Then you mention a thinner sound for the top register. But what distinctly really moved me was in between that thinner sound and the sonorous is a really sweet spot in the bassoon between G[3]-G[4] and A[4]. With tremendous carrying power, with tremendous lyricism [Music: Ewell and Mengelkoch] and enough power to really cut through the orchestra but still feel like it is natural. So, it is not forcing, it just comes out and there it is.

TBE: More like the upper tenor range, similar to that. The bassoon seems to have that.

JL: Right, as soon as you get to A[4] in my opinion, it gets a little intense.

JL: When I write concerti, I very much like to look at etude books. The etude books typically show the limits of what the instrument can do, what they have to work at, what it typical. I looked at the Weissenborn. I thought, “Oh my, that bassoon can really go and go and go.” In the orchestra, when you are looking at the orchestral bassoon, it’s here, it stops, it doubles the cello, it stops. I didn’t see this continual motion so much. So, from those etudes and look at some of your digital professor for bassoon, I could really push that. There is a lot of that in the third movement.

TBE: I know that the other work you examined was the Otmar Nussio Variations on a Theme by Pergolesi.

JL: Yes, that is a score that you showed me at that meeting. I looked at it and studied it. I saw Nussio do really extreme, wild, crazy, and fun things. I said, “Wow, the bassoon can be a lot of fun.” He really explores a whole range of colors and textures. The orchestral part or piano part is very “notey.” I loved how the interaction of all of these notes and bassoon came out. You can see that happen in the third movement. That was a source of inspiration, the orchestra and these big chords combining with the bassoon and coming right through.

[music: Chamber Version, third mov., John Weigand, Terry Ewell, and Eva Mengelkoch]

TBE: Where there any things that were surprising when you heard the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra actually play the piece? You said, “Wow, this surprised me!”

JL: I realized that I could have been a little bit more front with the orchestra. Meaning that the clarinet and the bassoon had more carrying power than I thought. I was very delicate with a lot of the orchestration. But I realize now that I could have been just a little bit more, put the orchestra up just a bit. But it is always safe to stay on the soft side.

TBE: Right, I notice that you start the third movement with these sonorous brass chords and then it fades out from there. [music: Start of the third movement of the Double Concerto, Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, Reference Recordings FR-738.] If you had kept those chords, you may not have heard those instruments.

JL: Right, I also was surprised that the strings and the bassoon and clarinet together molded so well at the end of the first movement. The strings pan out into a very big chord as the clarinet and bassoon trail off. [music: End of the first movement of the Double Concerto, Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, Reference Recordings FR-738.] I liked how all of the overtones mixed together with the bassoon and clarinet right in the middle of that. It was a lot of fun.

JL: Another orchestral surprise was my gaggle of bassoons in the second movement. In the return of the A theme I took a cue from Bartok.

JL and TBE: Concerto for Orchestra

JL: Yes, in the second movement. There is a trio for bassoons, and I always found that so cool. He does it masterfully. How many times in my life do I have three bassoons at my disposal? [music: Chamber Version, second mov., John Weigand, Terry Ewell, and Eva Mengelkoch]

In the piano version, I made Eva work very hard to get all of the voices, it is tricky. But in the orchestral version it is such a fun spot.

TBE: It is a wonderful moment. I remember it well.

JL: One other color in the third movement that I want to point out. I love the times where you and John, the clarinet and bassoon are trading off real fast.  [music: third movement of the Double Concerto, Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, Reference Recordings FR-738.] What surprised me in the orchestra is the pizzicato, the sharp attack, and punctuate. That was really cool because when I was writing it, I heard the strings give a point there. But I didn’t realize in real life how much it helps to have that attack from the strings with the combined sharp attack from the bassoon and the clarinet.

[music: Chamber Version, third mov., John Weigand, Terry Ewell, and Eva Mengelkoch]

TBE: You wrote two very challenging parts for the bassoon and clarinet, but I understand that a youth orchestra has actually played the orchestral part. So, it is quite approachable as a piece.

JL: Yes.

TBE: And we hope that it will be played many, many more times for that reason.

JL: I am so appreciative to you, and Eva, and John for giving this world premiere. It is so exciting that during COVID you have made a premiere that will be able to be seen on demand anytime, anywhere.  

TBE: We just appreciate this chamber version. Thank you, Jonathan.

JL: Thank you so much, Terry.

[music: Chamber Version, second mov., John Weigand, Terry Ewell, and Eva Mengelkoch]